What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from a TCM
and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:

http://sabrina.aero/

Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.

My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have interplanetary
spaceships available in a decade or two.

> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
> be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
I'd say so!! Make me think their may be a future for general aviation after
all.


> My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have interplanetary
> spaceships available in a decade or two.

Hey Mr. Rutan, You have any summer co-op positions available?


GO GIRL!!!

"Larry D. Cosby" <lcosby at knology dot net> wrote:
>> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story.
>> Seems to be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
> I'd say so!! Make me think their may be a future for general aviation
> after all.
>
>
>> My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have
>> interplanetary spaceships available in a decade or two.
>
> Hey Mr. Rutan, You have any summer co-op positions available?
>
>
> GO GIRL!!!

Her website http://www.sabrina.aero/ has this hidden gem, visible only by
examining the page source:

"Sabrina Aircraft Manufacturing, a manufacturer of experimental aerospace
vehicles based in Chicago, Illinois. Models range from the 2006 E-LSA "Mark
1"; two-seat aeroplane (maiden flight January 15, 2008) to the 2008
Experimental single-seat space exploration vehicle with a projected maiden
flight of June 27, 2018."

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Larry D. Cosby" <lcosby at knology dot net> wrote:
>>> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story.
>>> Seems to be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
>> I'd say so!! Make me think their may be a future for general aviation
>> after all.
>>
>>
>>> My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have
>>> interplanetary spaceships available in a decade or two.
>>
>> Hey Mr. Rutan, You have any summer co-op positions available?
>>
>>
>> GO GIRL!!!
>
> Her website http://www.sabrina.aero/ has this hidden gem, visible only by
> examining the page source:
>
> "Sabrina Aircraft Manufacturing, a manufacturer of experimental aerospace
> vehicles based in Chicago, Illinois. Models range from the 2006 E-LSA
> "Mark
> 1"; two-seat aeroplane (maiden flight January 15, 2008) to the 2008
> Experimental single-seat space exploration vehicle with a projected maiden
> flight of June 27, 2018."

I do so miss the hubris I once possessed, and I *must* get it back!

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:47:08 -0000, Jim Logajan >
wrote:

>What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from a TCM
>and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>
>http://sabrina.aero/
>
>Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
>be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
>
>My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have interplanetary
>spaceships available in a decade or two.
************************************************** *********

Interplanetary ??????????????????

Big John

Big John > wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:47:08 -0000, Jim Logajan >
> wrote:
>
>>What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from
>>a TCM and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>>
>>http://sabrina.aero/
>>
>>Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story.
>>Seems to be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
>>
>>My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have
>>interplanetary spaceships available in a decade or two.
> ************************************************** *********
>
> Interplanetary ??????????????????

Guess I forgot the winking emoticon.

Or were you questioning something else?

Shure glad she is from Chicago area. It will knock out a little wind
out of Mayor Daily's mad campaign against GA. Now he is against
budding youth accomplishments.

On Feb 10, 5:47 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from a TCM
> and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>
> http://sabrina.aero/
>
> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
> be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
>
> My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have interplanetary
> spaceships available in a decade or two.

>> What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from a TCM
>> and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>>
>> http://sabrina.aero/

It's too bad the website doesn't give more info on the building of the
engine.

Tony

On Feb 10, 5:47*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from a TCM
> and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>
> http://sabrina.aero/
>
> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
> be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
>
> My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have interplanetary
> spaceships available in a decade or two.

Sabrina rocks!!

Anthony W wrote:
>>> What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from
>>> a TCM
>>> and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>>>
>>> http://sabrina.aero/
>
> It's too bad the website doesn't give more info on the building of the
> engine.
>
> Tony


I'm impressed and all that this girl built this plane and I haven't
really followed this thread but how does she say it isn't a Zenith. Sure
she made a major modification to the panel but come on. And how in the
hell does she make this claim.

"As an aircraft manufacture, Sabrina's most exciting moment was, "When I
was allowed to remove the 'Built by an Amateur' FAA passenger Warning
Label."

[posted and mailed]

Gig 601XL Builder > wrote:
> Anthony W wrote:
>>>> What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from
>>>> a TCM
>>>> and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>>>>
>>>> http://sabrina.aero/
>>
>> It's too bad the website doesn't give more info on the building of the
>> engine.
>>
>> Tony
>
>
> I'm impressed and all that this girl built this plane and I haven't
> really followed this thread but how does she say it isn't a Zenith. Sure
> she made a major modification to the panel but come on. And how in the
> hell does she make this claim.

I believe the model name is within the bounds of the rules - I think I've
seen other homebuilders do the same with little or no design changes. As
you know, I believe she has to record herself as the manufacturer because
Zenith didn't build the plane.

> "As an aircraft manufacture, Sabrina's most exciting moment was, "When I
> was allowed to remove the 'Built by an Amateur' FAA passenger Warning
> Label."

That last is a good question. I started this thread when I ran across a
posting from her on Matronic's Zenith list and followed the link she posted
to her web site. I believe you subscribe to that list (I don't anymore -
just read some of the postings now and then via the public access web page)
so you might consider politely asking her via direct e-mail. Looks like she
subscribed to the Matronics list within the last week and already is
moderately active.

On Feb 11, 2008 4:21 PM, Jim Logajan wrote:
>
> I believe the model name is within the bounds of the rules - I think I've
> seen other homebuilders do the same with little or no design changes. As
> you know, I believe she has to record herself as the manufacturer because
> Zenith didn't build the plane.
>


Yea but changing the model name and one of the comments on the very
limited website makes it sound like she wants you to think she
redesigned the plane. That said she did make one hell of a redesign on
the panel.


> > "As an aircraft manufacture, Sabrina's most exciting moment was,
"When I
> > was allowed to remove the 'Built by an Amateur' FAA passenger Warning
> > Label."
>
> That last is a good question. I started this thread when I ran across a
> posting from her on Matronic's Zenith list and followed the link she
posted
> to her web site. I believe you subscribe to that list (I don't anymore -
> just read some of the postings now and then via the public access web
page)
> so you might consider politely asking her via direct e-mail. Looks
like she
> subscribed to the Matronics list within the last week and already is
> moderately active.
>
>


I did and it is under the (special that ended 1/31/08) E-LSA rules and
I can't find anything to counter that in the rules. As far as I'm
concerned it's a real bad idea from a liability standpoint. I told her
that in an e-mail right after I told her that I thought she was an
amazing young lady.

> wrote in message ...
> Shure glad she is from Chicago area. It will knock out a little wind
> out of Mayor Daily's mad campaign against GA. Now he is against
> budding youth accomplishments.
>
> On Feb 10, 5:47 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
>> What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from a TCM
>> and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>>
>> http://sabrina.aero/
>>
>> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
>> be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
>>
>> My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have interplanetary
>> spaceships available in a decade or two.
>


Met her at OSH last year at the Young Eagles awards ceremony. Sharp kid for sure with many supporters...

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:04:11 -0000, Jim Logajan >
wrote:

>Big John > wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:47:08 -0000, Jim Logajan >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from
>>>a TCM and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>>>
>>>http://sabrina.aero/
>>>
>>>Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story.
>>>Seems to be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
>>>
>>>My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have
>>>interplanetary spaceships available in a decade or two.
>> ************************************************** *********
>>
>> Interplanetary ??????????????????
>
>Guess I forgot the winking emoticon.
>
>Or were you questioning something else?
************************************************** ******************

Jim

Just wondered what her plans are to go to Mars? (Interplanetary)

Big John

I was wondering that same thing!

Scott


Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

And how in the
> hell does she make this claim.
>
> "As an aircraft manufacture, Sabrina's most exciting moment was, "When I
> was allowed to remove the 'Built by an Amateur' FAA passenger Warning
> Label."

--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

I don't get this statement:

As an aircraft manufacturer, Sabrina's most exciting moment was "When
I was allowed to remove the 'Built by an Amateur' FAA passenger
Warning label."

Can someone explain?
--
They that die by famine die by inches.
~ Matthew Henry

Bob Fry > wrote:
> I don't get this statement:
>
> As an aircraft manufacturer, Sabrina's most exciting moment was "When
> I was allowed to remove the 'Built by an Amateur' FAA passenger
> Warning label."
>
> Can someone explain?

Gig mentions how she seems to have done this in a post elsewhere on this
thread. As best I can tell, she used the E-LSA rules that ended on Jan 31
of this year that allowed illegal "fat ultralights" to be registered under
that status. Note that her plane is still considered experimental, but it
seems there is no "amateur built" in the FAA's designation (EAB vs ELSA). I
suspect it has pretty much the same operating limitations. Bottom line is
it doesn't seem to mean much.

Big John > wrote:
> Jim Logajan > wrote:
>
>>Big John > wrote:
>>> Interplanetary ??????????????????
>>
>>Guess I forgot the winking emoticon.
>>
>>Or were you questioning something else?
>
> Just wondered what her plans are to go to Mars? (Interplanetary)

Beats me. Sounds like she is keeping them secret. It's her goal and dream,
so I'm sure she'll do her best.

When I was about her age I had plans along those lines too. My oldest
brother had a copy of "The Mars Project" by Wernher Von Braun and "Rocket
Manual for Amateurs" by Bertrand Brinley. I had checked out "Project
Sherwood - The U.S. Program in Controlled Fusion" by Amasa Bishop from the
library. With ideas from those references I drew plans for a fusion powered
spacecraft about the size of a small van. (The stellarator "donut" was
between the fuel tank and rocket engines. I had no clue of course about how
most of it was going to work!)

Four decades of reality later I wish her the best of luck.

> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
> be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.

IMHO building an aircraft is an impressive accomplishment for any
human being -- but at 14 and a girl to boot it's really over the top.
I have never heard of something like that. It didn't seem like her
parents were pushing her on it, either. She's just really motivated.

The youtube video is cool -- can one be a certified pilot in Canada at
14 or is that a reporting error?

I hope her story will inspire other young girls (and boys) to do cool
stuff in aviation.

wrote:
> The youtube video is cool -- can one be a certified pilot in Canada at
> 14 or is that a reporting error?

According to Canadian regs, she'd have to be at least 14 to get a
student pilot permit:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regserv/Affairs/cars/Part4/Standards/421.htm#421_19

This page has links to the minimum qualifications in Canada for the various
permits and certificates:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/general/personnel/faq.htm

"Gig 601XL Builder" > wrote

> I did and it is under the (special that ended 1/31/08) E-LSA rules and
> I can't find anything to counter that in the rules. As far as I'm
> concerned it's a real bad idea from a liability standpoint. I told her
> that in an e-mail right after I told her that I thought she was an
> amazing young lady.

Yep. Driven, and full of life!

I have a feeling that she is highly supported by her dad, and that they are
not hurting for money, much. ;-)

She must do most of her flying in Canada, so it reads.

There are times like these, that make me want to see some flexibility in the
age rules for getting your ticket. It sure would seem like she is ready for
an FAA one.
--
Jim in NC

Bob Fry wrote:
> I don't get this statement:
>
> As an aircraft manufacturer, Sabrina's most exciting moment was "When
> I was allowed to remove the 'Built by an Amateur' FAA passenger
> Warning label."
>
> Can someone explain?

She got her AW certificate under the E-LSA rules not the E-HB rules. In
what was probably an oversight on the FAAs part there is no requirement
for the standard disclaimer to appear.

These rule apply long term to aircraft that are produced from kits that
EXACTLY match an aircraft built under the less stringent (than certified
aircraft) LSA standards. Her particular plane, since it is from a kit
that doesn't exactly match a LSA would not normally qualify. But there
was an exemption to get the fat ultralight into the system that expired
1/31/08 and she got her AW cert under that.

What I don't understand is what she means by being allowed to remove the
warning. The only thing I can think is that she put it on there and they
told her or she found out that it wasn't required.

On Feb 10, 6:47*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from a TCM
> and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>
> http://sabrina.aero/
>
> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
> be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
>
> My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have interplanetary
> spaceships available in a decade or two.

What a refreshing story. Wish I was like that at her age. You go
girl!

Wil

On Feb 11, 7:44 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> Big John > wrote:
> > Jim Logajan > wrote:
>
> >>Big John > wrote:
> >>> Interplanetary ??????????????????
>
> >>Guess I forgot the winking emoticon.
>
> >>Or were you questioning something else?
>
> > Just wondered what her plans are to go to Mars? (Interplanetary)
>
> Beats me. Sounds like she is keeping them secret. It's her goal and dream,
> so I'm sure she'll do her best.
>
> When I was about her age I had plans along those lines too. My oldest
> brother had a copy of "The Mars Project" by Wernher Von Braun and "Rocket
> Manual for Amateurs" by Bertrand Brinley. I had checked out "Project
> Sherwood - The U.S. Program in Controlled Fusion" by Amasa Bishop from the
> library. With ideas from those references I drew plans for a fusion powered
> spacecraft about the size of a small van. (The stellarator "donut" was
> between the fuel tank and rocket engines. I had no clue of course about how
> most of it was going to work!)
>
> Four decades of reality later I wish her the best of luck.

See http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1996321846673788606

We're almost there. WB-7 had first plasma a couple of weeks ago.

On Feb 13, 7:35*am, William Hung > wrote:
> On Feb 10, 6:47*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
>
> > What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from a TCM
> > and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>
> >http://sabrina.aero/
>
> > Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
> > be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
>
> > My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have interplanetary
> > spaceships available in a decade or two.
>
> What a refreshing story. *Wish I was like that at her age. * You go
> girl!
>
> Wil

Anybody have her email addy or more information on the spacecraft
claim? Someone added a wikipedia piece at
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_private_spaceflight_compan ies&curid=5095560&diff=192016117&oldid=191567543
. I'm not sure how confident I am in the claim that she will make her
own spacecraft by 2018, especially after reading some of the comments
here regarding her not actually designing the aircraft. I don't want
to cast any doubt on her abilities, but intelligent or not, it's hard
to believe she'll fly to mars in a craft of her own design by age 24.

Terence Clark

wrote:
> On Feb 13, 7:35 am, William Hung > wrote:
>> On Feb 10, 6:47 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
>>
>>> What do you get when you combine a Rolls Royce engine with parts from a TCM
>>> and Superior engine? In one case, a Sabrina O-200A:
>>> http://sabrina.aero/
>>> Follow the link to the four YouTube videos for more of the story. Seems to
>>> be an impressive accomplishment for a 14 year old.
>>> My guess is that Sabrina Spacecraft Manufacturing will have interplanetary
>>> spaceships available in a decade or two.
>> What a refreshing story. Wish I was like that at her age. You go
>> girl!
>>
>> Wil
>
> Anybody have her email addy or more information on the spacecraft
> claim? Someone added a wikipedia piece at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_private_spaceflight_compan ies&curid=5095560&diff=192016117&oldid=191567543
> . I'm not sure how confident I am in the claim that she will make her
> own spacecraft by 2018, especially after reading some of the comments
> here regarding her not actually designing the aircraft. I don't want
> to cast any doubt on her abilities, but intelligent or not, it's hard
> to believe she'll fly to mars in a craft of her own design by age 24.
>
> Terence Clark

I'm pretty sure it was a joke.